Jared Crozier: Valuing Hoffman

I think we see a 4 x 4.5 offer from the Sens.

If he's still around in a week

I think we see a 4 x 4.5 offer from the Sens.

If he's still around in a week
- Cup 06

That would be pretty fair, and I think Hoffman would be taking a bit of a home-town discount to stay.

He got hosed in arbitration last year...might not want to go down the same road again.

What do you know cup06? What do you know?

I'd like Hoffman to get $5x5... I think that's fair... Give him some #1 line minutes as well and watch this kid score 35 goals next year!

What's your basis for saying Hoffman will go to arbitration again? Haven't heard that from any other source...

All that I have read indicates that Dorion's main priority is gettting the Hoff signed.

If we could borrow him for a few years, we'd be very grateful.

What's your basis for saying Hoffman will go to arbitration again? Haven't heard that from any other source...

All that I have read indicates that Dorion's main priority is gettting the Hoff signed.
- jaz258

I said it will probably be filed for, either by the Senators to protect from his receiving an offer sheet, or from Hoffman to make sure there is a resolution. Filing doesn't mean it gets to the hearing, it just means there will be an answer one way or another by early August.

They would still have a better part of a month after filing to get the deal done before the hearing takes place if they can't do it this week.

That would be pretty fair, and I think Hoffman would be taking a bit of a home-town discount to stay.

He got hosed in arbitration last year...might not want to go down the same road again.
- JaredCrozier

The team has pretty big concerns with him though and are scared of locking in to long term.

He has to make the call in going for some security vs hitting the financial home run.
Most players do not want to gamble.

Well after the Oiler and Canadian trades...


I believe his value is at about 2 dollars and thirty four cents.

Well after the Oiler and Canadian trades...


I believe his value is at about 2 dollars and thirty four cents.
- Guile

The Devils will gladly trade you either John Moore or Jon Merrill for him... Good defensive help at a low, low price...

I'd go $5.2 - $5.5 for 6 years. Time for Ottawa to finally commit.

Then focus on finding him a Matt Duchene type Center and he could be a 40+ goal scorer

Hoffman should get something in the neighborhood of 5yr/$5.5M. Instead of signing him to an affordable long-term deal when they had the chance, the team wanted to see him to have another high-production season - which is exactly what he did. He finished 9th among LW in goals, and was 12th in points... even though he was just 21st in PP points, played on a non-playoff team, and is still the only top-12-scoring LW receiving less than 18min/gp of icetime.

Time to pay the piper, or let him play elsewhere.

I think the Sens will pull off a decent length deal with Hoffman, but the longer it goes on the more nervous I get. I'd like to see it at about $5.25M per for 4 years.

With Seidenberg being bought out, I wouldn't mind the Sens offering him a 2 year low value contract. He's 34 and had a rough year, but he is a decent pk guy who could help out on the bottom pairing. If he wants longer or a more valuable contract, I'd pass. He's not a top 4 guy these days.

Also, I read an article interviewing Francis Perron where he talks about getting ready for the upcoming hockey season. He's been trying to pack on some muscle. However, it says that he expects that he can put on enough weight to get up to 175lbs by the time the season starts.

That is a very low weight for a forward who is listed as 6 feet tall. Is he made of clouds and cotton candy?

I think he will need a while to get up to NHL size. I wouldn't expect to see him until he is clear of 185lbs.

With Seidenberg being bought out, I wouldn't mind the Sens offering him a 2 year low value contract. He's 34 and had a rough year, but he is a decent pk guy who could help out on the bottom pairing. If he wants longer or a more valuable contract, I'd pass. He's not a top 4 guy these days.
- MaxTLimit

Seidenberg would be a great transitional #5 defenceman, which would given the likes of Chabot and Englund a chance to develop without the pressure of needing to step into that role. He's certainly the type of defenceman that could pair well with either Wideman or Borowiecki, chip in on special teams, and not be totally out of place in a top-4 role if/when injuries hit.

I think we see a 4 x 4.5 offer from the Sens.

If he's still around in a week
- Cup 06

I sincerely hope that is not what they offered. They doubled down last year taking him to arbitration and got burned. Its time to man up and pay the man.

I'd be happy with 5 for 25 but I think that will still be hard to pull off.

Outside of adding Okposo no other UFA's intrigue me. The #1 priority has to be briniging back both Hoffman and Ceci

I sincerely hope that is not what they offered. They doubled down last year taking him to arbitration and got burned. Its time to man up and pay the man.

I'd be happy with 5 for 25 but I think that will still be hard to pull off.

Outside of adding Okposo no other UFA's intrigue me. The #1 priority has to be briniging back both Hoffman and Ceci
- SENS 613

There are a few guys who i think would be good for ottawa:

okposo
seidenberg
hamhuis
schultz
perron
purcell

only okposo would be a top six....rest are bottom 6/4 guys but i feel they would bring depth and experience to the roster at a very reasonable price

There are a few guys who i think would be good for ottawa:

okposo
seidenberg
hamhuis
schultz
perron
purcell

only okposo would be a top six....rest are bottom 6/4 guys but i feel they would bring depth and experience to the roster at a very reasonable price
- sensarmy_11

Okposo is decent, but be weary of the wingers who have played with star centres in my opinion. We don't have a Tavares dishing passes and being the primary scoring threat. I have a feeling he will get a rich contract and not be able to live up to it, wherever he goes.

The rest of the list is meh. Hamsuis might fit in the 3rd pairing slot, but only for a cheap price. He's not the d-man he once was.

The free agent list in general really isn't that attractive. Hopefully Dorian can make a move in the middle of all the signings. Interesting to hear Colorado might be making a big move. Maybe the Sens are involved?

As for Hoffman (blog related), just get the deal done (and Ceci). I understand the team not wanting to lock down long term. He isn't exactly the most consistent guy in the world, but you can't deny his skill. He has a severely underrated shot and puck handling ability. The rest of his game, is meh, but you need his skill set to win key games. You have to have players with better than average skill to throw out there at key times.

In the spirit of the current NHL thread, THE SENS ARE UP TO SOMETHING BIG!!!
Could it possibly be a sixth round pick for a seventh rounder in 2017 throwing in a signed Radek Bonk Jersey?

Okposo is decent, but be weary of the wingers who have played with star centres in my opinion. We don't have a Tavares dishing passes and being the primary scoring threat. I have a feeling he will get a rich contract and not be able to live up to it, wherever he goes.

The rest of the list is meh. Hamsuis might fit in the 3rd pairing slot, but only for a cheap price. He's not the d-man he once was.

The free agent list in general really isn't that attractive. Hopefully Dorian can make a move in the middle of all the signings. Interesting to hear Colorado might be making a big move. Maybe the Sens are involved?

As for Hoffman (blog related), just get the deal done (and Ceci). I understand the team not wanting to lock down long term. He isn't exactly the most consistent guy in the world, but you can't deny his skill. He has a severely underrated shot and puck handling ability. The rest of his game, is meh, but you need his skill set to win key games. You have to have players with better than average skill to throw out there at key times.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

like i said, this is a list of guys who i feel would provide some depth and likely agree to reasonable $$ and term.

as for okposo...i disagree. he's a good player all on his own. he was a 7th overall pick for a reason. is perry only good cuz he plays with getzlaf, is gaudreau only good cuz he plays with monohan, was hall only good cuz he played with RNH and CMaC, is carter only good cuz he plays with kopitar, etc, etc, etc

good centers benefit as much from good wingers as good wingers benefit from good centers. tavares is a great player, no doubt.....but okposo is also very good. i'd take him over hoffman in a heart beat

In the spirit of the current NHL thread, THE SENS ARE UP TO SOMETHING BIG!!!
Could it possibly be a sixth round pick for a seventh rounder in 2017 throwing in a signed Radek Bonk Jersey?
- ktownfan

This might be the only trade for Sens could make. New GM has no vision or plan and clearly isn't building a cup contender. He seems very unwilling to make big trades or signings

4 x 4.5 is on the low end, and wouldn't surprise me if he flat out refused that.
5 is fair; even 5.5 is ok

We're not trading him for 5-6 defencemen dude from New Jersey. Gtfoh

Management is out to lunch if they think Hoffman is comparable to Greening in any way.

Management is out to lunch if they think Hoffman is comparable to Greening in any way.
- TheCalSen

i've never heard a single person ever mention greening in the same breath as hoffman........not sure where you're getting this from

i've never heard a single person ever mention greening in the same breath as hoffman........not sure where you're getting this from
- sensarmy_11

Why are you so close minded? I'm not referring to their on-ice play being comparable.
They are in the same situation contact wise. If the reason management is so hesitant to sign Hoffman long term because of their botched Greening contract, then we have big problems in our hands.

Why are you so close minded? I'm not referring to their on-ice play being comparable.
They are in the same situation contact wise. If the reason management is so hesitant to sign Hoffman long term because of their botched Greening contract, then we have big problems in our hands.
- TheCalSen

i'm closed minded because i pointed out that the only time greening's name has been brought up in relation to the hoffman situation is when you brought it up in yet another "sky is falling" criticism of the management team.

sure...why not